Comments on: The Deal is in the Details http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/ Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:08:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Laura Fenamore http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8853 Laura Fenamore Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:25:25 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8853 thank you for your interest in my work...I would love to support you and your clients anyway I can around body image and weight loss. blessings, Laura Fenamore thank you for your interest in my work…I would love to support you and your clients anyway I can around body image and weight loss.

blessings, Laura Fenamore

]]> By: Karen Swim http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8792 Karen Swim Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:48:04 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8792 Evelyn, I learned from Laura's email too! I think some people will opt out but the key is to give them the option. One thing I truly admire about Laura is her passion for what she does. As Liz Strauss has noted when you are passionate about what you do, talking about it is natural and very different from the mindset of self-promotion. Ulla, Wow! You are so right about the influence of culture on not doing the basics! What a great point and one that I may explore in a future post. Thanks! :-) Friar, I am so glad that you took the advice and found success! I wish everyone knew that this truly is the way to go! In my own personal experience, every job of my corporate career was the result of my network so I too am a believer! Evelyn, I learned from Laura’s email too! I think some people will opt out but the key is to give them the option. One thing I truly admire about Laura is her passion for what she does. As Liz Strauss has noted when you are passionate about what you do, talking about it is natural and very different from the mindset of self-promotion.

Ulla, Wow! You are so right about the influence of culture on not doing the basics! What a great point and one that I may explore in a future post. Thanks! :-)

Friar, I am so glad that you took the advice and found success! I wish everyone knew that this truly is the way to go! In my own personal experience, every job of my corporate career was the result of my network so I too am a believer!

]]> By: Friar http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8790 Friar Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:57:04 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8790 Karen I worked with a career consultant like yourself, how helped me learn to network. Now I'm a Convert and Firm Believer. (Alleluiah!) The "Hidden" Job Market is huge. (Yes, I read "What Color is your Parachute?") I n fact, I got my present job by "networking" with my sister. I didn't realize she was only two degrees of separation away from a company VP who actually gave me a face-to-face. He couldn't hire me but he recommended me to someone who did. Funny how life works that way. Friars last blog post..<a href="http://deepfriar.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/my-favorite-touron-moments/" rel="nofollow">My Favorite Touron (*) Moments</a> Karen

I worked with a career consultant like yourself, how helped me learn to network. Now I’m a Convert and Firm Believer. (Alleluiah!)

The “Hidden” Job Market is huge. (Yes, I read “What Color is your Parachute?”)

I n fact, I got my present job by “networking” with my sister. I didn’t realize she was only two degrees of separation away from a company VP who actually gave me a face-to-face.

He couldn’t hire me but he recommended me to someone who did.

Funny how life works that way.

Friars last blog post..My Favorite Touron (*) Moments

]]> By: Ulla Hennig http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8789 Ulla Hennig Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:43:40 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8789 *slowly sipping a mug of black tea with cream and sugar* Karen, I can only fully support you. I've got some experience with people applying for jobs, and there are much too many - and not only the young ones - who are forgetting the basics. But what are the reasons for that? I don't know really, but sometimes I've got the feeling that in our society people who are pretenders - pretend to know all, pretend to make their money fast and easily - are the people who are written about in the magazines and spoken about in TV and Radio. So there seems to be no reward for being good at the basics - which is definitely and brutally wrong. Just my 2cents, Ulla *slowly sipping a mug of black tea with cream and sugar* Karen,
I can only fully support you. I’ve got some experience with people applying for jobs, and there are much too many – and not only the young ones – who are forgetting the basics. But what are the reasons for that? I don’t know really, but sometimes I’ve got the feeling that in our society people who are pretenders – pretend to know all, pretend to make their money fast and easily – are the people who are written about in the magazines and spoken about in TV and Radio. So there seems to be no reward for being good at the basics – which is definitely and brutally wrong. Just my 2cents,
Ulla

]]> By: Evelyn Lim | Attraction Mind Map http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8788 Evelyn Lim | Attraction Mind Map Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:40:52 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8788 Every small detail counts? Okay...I need to be reminded of that. I'm also not very good with follow throughs and covering every angle. You've also pointed out that not every one will get offended with an email like the one you received. Interesting! I've got a thing or two to learn in terms of asking for what I want, without seeming rude. Thanks for sharing, Evelyn Evelyn Lim | Attraction Mind Maps last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/attractionmindmap/~3/355332041/" rel="nofollow">Raise Awareness; Release Guilt</a> Every small detail counts? Okay…I need to be reminded of that. I’m also not very good with follow throughs and covering every angle. You’ve also pointed out that not every one will get offended with an email like the one you received. Interesting! I’ve got a thing or two to learn in terms of asking for what I want, without seeming rude.

Thanks for sharing,
Evelyn

Evelyn Lim | Attraction Mind Maps last blog post..Raise Awareness; Release Guilt

]]> By: Karen Swim http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8787 Karen Swim Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:23:16 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8787 Melissa, I have seen some doozies! I have managed the hiring process for clients and when you are reviewing 200 at a time, you want to poke your eyes out! LOL! I agree though, everyone is capable of the basics. Even though I am a trained resume writer, clients hire me for a deeper expertise not basic etiquette! I think people really don't understand the value of doing the little things right. They are so desensitized to dealing with human beings that somehow they think the computer does not care. Friar, in the US the statistics vary from 5-16% but when I work with clients I ALWAYS counsel them to spend 80% of their time networking as the majority of jobs are found that way. I steer them away from online resume databases and teach them how to uncover the hidden job market. Not everyone listens, some get antsy and start shotgunning but those that do have been successful every time. Ha! Can you tell I'm a happy baby boomer? LOL! Melissa, I have seen some doozies! I have managed the hiring process for clients and when you are reviewing 200 at a time, you want to poke your eyes out! LOL! I agree though, everyone is capable of the basics. Even though I am a trained resume writer, clients hire me for a deeper expertise not basic etiquette! I think people really don’t understand the value of doing the little things right. They are so desensitized to dealing with human beings that somehow they think the computer does not care.

Friar, in the US the statistics vary from 5-16% but when I work with clients I ALWAYS counsel them to spend 80% of their time networking as the majority of jobs are found that way. I steer them away from online resume databases and teach them how to uncover the hidden job market. Not everyone listens, some get antsy and start shotgunning but those that do have been successful every time. Ha! Can you tell I’m a happy baby boomer? LOL!

]]> By: Friar http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8786 Friar Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:40:59 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8786 I read that only 5% of all jobs are found by answering job ads and sending in your resume. When I was out of work four years ago, I did most of my job searching by networking. Phone calls, meeting for coffee, shaking hands. I only applied to jobs on-line, by default, as a last resort, if I had nothing else going on that week. That being said, I DID get a couple of job offers this way. But the 5% ratio pretty much rang true. For about 20 jobs I applied to on-line, maybe one would result in an interview. Of course, today's job market is so good, today's young whipper-snappers don't have to worry about this (Just as our parents didnt' have to worry about it either). Isn't it convenient that only OUR generation got screwed when it came to finding employment? (Can you tell, I'm a cynical Gen-Xer, who just barely missed the Baby Boom?). :-) Friars last blog post..<a href="http://deepfriar.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/friars-random-rants-part-iii/" rel="nofollow">Friar’s Random Rants (Part III)</a> I read that only 5% of all jobs are found by answering job ads and sending in your resume.

When I was out of work four years ago, I did most of my job searching by networking. Phone calls, meeting for coffee, shaking hands.

I only applied to jobs on-line, by default, as a last resort, if I had nothing else going on that week.

That being said, I DID get a couple of job offers this way. But the 5% ratio pretty much rang true. For about 20 jobs I applied to on-line, maybe one would result in an interview.

Of course, today’s job market is so good, today’s young whipper-snappers don’t have to worry about this (Just as our parents didnt’ have to worry about it either).

Isn’t it convenient that only OUR generation got screwed when it came to finding employment?

(Can you tell, I’m a cynical Gen-Xer, who just barely missed the Baby Boom?). :-)

Friars last blog post..Friar’s Random Rants (Part III)

]]> By: Melissa Donovan http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8785 Melissa Donovan Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:25:28 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8785 Ugh, this sounds like a chore for HR. I don't envy people who have to read through stacks of resumes every day. You'd think with all the accessible information on how to get a job from building a resume and cover letter to getting through interviews, job seekers would have the basics down. Maybe they don't want the job all that much? Melissa Donovans last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/WritingForward/~3/357191457/august-news-and-announcements" rel="nofollow">August News and Announcements</a> Ugh, this sounds like a chore for HR. I don’t envy people who have to read through stacks of resumes every day. You’d think with all the accessible information on how to get a job from building a resume and cover letter to getting through interviews, job seekers would have the basics down. Maybe they don’t want the job all that much?

Melissa Donovans last blog post..August News and Announcements

]]> By: Karen Swim http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8783 Karen Swim Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:39:06 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8783 Hi Ben! Thank you and welcome! I also popped over to your site. I loved the post on brochures, and look forward to reading you as well. Hello Mary Agnes! You will be pleased to know that I did not opt out. I found your approach and content wonderful! You and Laura are an example of social media marketing done right, so hats off to you! Thank you for the high praise, it so gratefully received! Hi Robert, *leans over to pour more tea* I shook my head and wondered the same thing. Sadder still, many have no desire to be coached. I really make an effort to understand the younger generation and communicate in ways that make sense to them. I have noticed that even in my family, my nieces and nephews will call, never leave a message but expect a call back or send me a text with details but never say who is sending it! Perhaps it works for them but I think they have to learn that not every generation, or culture communicates in short hand with no details. *steps off soapbox to have more tea.* Do you take that with sugar and cream? Brad, I like the big picture stuff but don't get a kick out of the detailed work, so like you I have to be extra careful. However, I had not been applying that same caution to my own work (ahem like blog posts!). I am working on it. We will have to encourage each other and maybe do some cross proofreading. :-) Hi Ben! Thank you and welcome! I also popped over to your site. I loved the post on brochures, and look forward to reading you as well.

Hello Mary Agnes! You will be pleased to know that I did not opt out. I found your approach and content wonderful! You and Laura are an example of social media marketing done right, so hats off to you! Thank you for the high praise, it so gratefully received!

Hi Robert, *leans over to pour more tea* I shook my head and wondered the same thing. Sadder still, many have no desire to be coached. I really make an effort to understand the younger generation and communicate in ways that make sense to them. I have noticed that even in my family, my nieces and nephews will call, never leave a message but expect a call back or send me a text with details but never say who is sending it! Perhaps it works for them but I think they have to learn that not every generation, or culture communicates in short hand with no details. *steps off soapbox to have more tea.* Do you take that with sugar and cream?

Brad, I like the big picture stuff but don’t get a kick out of the detailed work, so like you I have to be extra careful. However, I had not been applying that same caution to my own work (ahem like blog posts!). I am working on it. We will have to encourage each other and maybe do some cross proofreading. :-)

]]> By: Brad Shorr http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/2008/08/06/the-deal-is-in-the-details/comment-page-1/#comment-8782 Brad Shorr Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:30:10 +0000 http://wordsforhirellc.com/blog/?p=149#comment-8782 Karen, details are extremely important and I am always forcing myself to attend to them. I should use a proofreader more than I do before submitting certain types of work to clients. Small mistakes can cause big problems and jeopardize client relationships. The resume inquiries you describe are surprising, but I guess standards aren't what they were. Brad Shorrs last blog post..<a href="http://www.wordsellinc.com/blog/news/bits-and-pieces-of-word-sell-news/" rel="nofollow">Bits and Pieces of Word Sell News</a> Karen, details are extremely important and I am always forcing myself to attend to them. I should use a proofreader more than I do before submitting certain types of work to clients. Small mistakes can cause big problems and jeopardize client relationships. The resume inquiries you describe are surprising, but I guess standards aren’t what they were.

Brad Shorrs last blog post..Bits and Pieces of Word Sell News

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